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	<title>Comments on: To breed or not to breed?</title>
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	<description>Practical Career Advice for Women Who Think Outside the Cube</description>
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		<title>By: Emiko</title>
		<link>http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2006/11/26/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/#comment-50683</link>
		<dc:creator>Emiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe when a woman makes the choice to be/not to be a mother from a place free from fear (of familial pressure, of growing old without children, of disrupting one's career, etc.), everything falls into place and support and opportunities seem to come out of the woodwork. I am 37 years old, separated and have two small children.  I actually wondered if I made a mistake having children at first - I was never "cut out" to be a nurturing type (I'm highly allergic to doing things for other people, but I love helping people - there is a tremendous difference), or so I thought.  It took me a few years (or, rather, the better part of my adult life) to get right about what I really wanted from this life. Even though I didn't quite understand my drive to have kids back in my early 30s, it makes total sense now.  Some consider my situation somewhat unconventional  (I live in the same house with my ex - we get along fabulously as friends - so we can raise our kids together) and it's something I never would have imagined for myself, but it could not have worked out better.  I am preparing to open my own life coaching practice (which is how I found this fab site, researching  E&#38;O insurance) -   a dream job for me. Choosing to have kids when I did was not really a decision of the mind, but a strong impulse that defied every logical argument I had not to have them (one would think that someone who can't stand caretaking should stay away from parenthood).  For some, the decision not to have kids is a strong impulse that defies every mind-created argument to have them.  I say go with the strong gut impulse 100% of the time, it's way smarter than the mind (then the mind can be a powerful servant to the gut).   It's also produces far more satisfying results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe when a woman makes the choice to be/not to be a mother from a place free from fear (of familial pressure, of growing old without children, of disrupting one&#8217;s career, etc.), everything falls into place and support and opportunities seem to come out of the woodwork. I am 37 years old, separated and have two small children.  I actually wondered if I made a mistake having children at first - I was never &#8220;cut out&#8221; to be a nurturing type (I&#8217;m highly allergic to doing things for other people, but I love helping people - there is a tremendous difference), or so I thought.  It took me a few years (or, rather, the better part of my adult life) to get right about what I really wanted from this life. Even though I didn&#8217;t quite understand my drive to have kids back in my early 30s, it makes total sense now.  Some consider my situation somewhat unconventional  (I live in the same house with my ex - we get along fabulously as friends - so we can raise our kids together) and it&#8217;s something I never would have imagined for myself, but it could not have worked out better.  I am preparing to open my own life coaching practice (which is how I found this fab site, researching  E&amp;O insurance) -   a dream job for me. Choosing to have kids when I did was not really a decision of the mind, but a strong impulse that defied every logical argument I had not to have them (one would think that someone who can&#8217;t stand caretaking should stay away from parenthood).  For some, the decision not to have kids is a strong impulse that defies every mind-created argument to have them.  I say go with the strong gut impulse 100% of the time, it&#8217;s way smarter than the mind (then the mind can be a powerful servant to the gut).   It&#8217;s also produces far more satisfying results.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2006/11/26/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing, samatha. more proof that there are so many ways to live one's life, and that one path (motherhood, marriage, DINK-dom, complete independence) does not fit all. 

you bring up a great point re those age-old descriptions of adulthood (= graduation/work/marriage/babies). i, for one, am elated that these old mores have begun to fade into oblivion. i knew my generation (X) had arrived when my parents and grandparents started to tell me (when i was around 30) they were jealous that "kids these days" had more options at their fingertips for how to spend their 20s, as opposed to the work/shack up/procreate formula of their generations. not that there's anything wrong with my parents'/grandparents' way. it just hasn't been for me. and for the record, i don't consider that selfish. i would consider having a baby i don't want (or don't have time or money to care for) more selfish, as you say.

again, thanks for sharing. love hearing all these different POVs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing, samatha. more proof that there are so many ways to live one&#8217;s life, and that one path (motherhood, marriage, DINK-dom, complete independence) does not fit all. </p>
<p>you bring up a great point re those age-old descriptions of adulthood (= graduation/work/marriage/babies). i, for one, am elated that these old mores have begun to fade into oblivion. i knew my generation (X) had arrived when my parents and grandparents started to tell me (when i was around 30) they were jealous that &#8220;kids these days&#8221; had more options at their fingertips for how to spend their 20s, as opposed to the work/shack up/procreate formula of their generations. not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with my parents&#8217;/grandparents&#8217; way. it just hasn&#8217;t been for me. and for the record, i don&#8217;t consider that selfish. i would consider having a baby i don&#8217;t want (or don&#8217;t have time or money to care for) more selfish, as you say.</p>
<p>again, thanks for sharing. love hearing all these different POVs.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2006/11/26/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be that the term adult was not used to describe a person until she/he had done four things, namely, finish school, begin work, get married, and have children.  I think this is because until one has done all of these things, it is all to easy to be selfish.  I am by no means insisting that everyone should have children.  In fact, if selfish ambitions to work, travel, read, etc are more important to you than raising a new generation of intelligent, creative, fun, energetic people, then please don't have kids.  In fact, I personally wish that people who are too selfish to remain married would also choose not to have children, before they have them.  As a mother, I am asked to be unselfish, which, I believe, has made me a better person, wife, friend, daughter, etc.  I may not have as much time as I want to be creative, but I am hopeful that my children will someday pick up where I leave off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be that the term adult was not used to describe a person until she/he had done four things, namely, finish school, begin work, get married, and have children.  I think this is because until one has done all of these things, it is all to easy to be selfish.  I am by no means insisting that everyone should have children.  In fact, if selfish ambitions to work, travel, read, etc are more important to you than raising a new generation of intelligent, creative, fun, energetic people, then please don&#8217;t have kids.  In fact, I personally wish that people who are too selfish to remain married would also choose not to have children, before they have them.  As a mother, I am asked to be unselfish, which, I believe, has made me a better person, wife, friend, daughter, etc.  I may not have as much time as I want to be creative, but I am hopeful that my children will someday pick up where I leave off.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, now that i have a little more time to comment, i wanted to say that i loved all the great points each of the previous three posters raised, too:

laura - GREAT point about choosing your own priorities, to each her own, etc. i respect your choices, for sure, even if they aren't the same as mine. i wish more women would do that and try to see things from the other person's POV.

judy - what an amazing perk at your friend's company. i think adopting or fostering is brilliant, too. maybe it will become trendy now that celebs are doing it in the public eye. yeah right.

shawna - you are a woman after my own heart. i sometimes bring up the mommy/careers stuff on this site because How To Balance It All is still such a huge concern for so many women. curiously, when researching the book, the file that was the fattest was my "working moms" file, hands down. there's a new article/opinion a minute on that front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, now that i have a little more time to comment, i wanted to say that i loved all the great points each of the previous three posters raised, too:</p>
<p>laura - GREAT point about choosing your own priorities, to each her own, etc. i respect your choices, for sure, even if they aren&#8217;t the same as mine. i wish more women would do that and try to see things from the other person&#8217;s POV.</p>
<p>judy - what an amazing perk at your friend&#8217;s company. i think adopting or fostering is brilliant, too. maybe it will become trendy now that celebs are doing it in the public eye. yeah right.</p>
<p>shawna - you are a woman after my own heart. i sometimes bring up the mommy/careers stuff on this site because How To Balance It All is still such a huge concern for so many women. curiously, when researching the book, the file that was the fattest was my &#8220;working moms&#8221; file, hands down. there&#8217;s a new article/opinion a minute on that front.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2006/11/26/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for all your thoughts on this, everyone. looks like we're all in disagreement. good deal. 

last thing i'll say on the matter (this hour): i was excited to see this childless by choice piece in the WA PO this week too, you know, just to give voice to the less popular side of things: 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112400986.html

i can totally relate to the "mother right" stroller quip. that bugs me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for all your thoughts on this, everyone. looks like we&#8217;re all in disagreement. good deal. </p>
<p>last thing i&#8217;ll say on the matter (this hour): i was excited to see this childless by choice piece in the WA PO this week too, you know, just to give voice to the less popular side of things: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112400986.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/24/AR2006112400986.html</a></p>
<p>i can totally relate to the &#8220;mother right&#8221; stroller quip. that bugs me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawna</title>
		<link>http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2006/11/26/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about don't friggin worry about it?  Live life, love life, get paid and get laid? Tirelessly persue your career, pioneer through this big thing called the earth, seeing as much of it as possible before you die.  If you meet anyone worthy of your time and energy along the way, well, run with that too and go with the flow.  Whatever happened to just being happy with a companion, a husband, a great wonderful spouse to have great hot sex with for the rest of your life?  Thinking about the work/career vs. baby/family too much clouds our emotions which is why there's such a disgustingly high divorce rate.  Whew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about don&#8217;t friggin worry about it?  Live life, love life, get paid and get laid? Tirelessly persue your career, pioneer through this big thing called the earth, seeing as much of it as possible before you die.  If you meet anyone worthy of your time and energy along the way, well, run with that too and go with the flow.  Whatever happened to just being happy with a companion, a husband, a great wonderful spouse to have great hot sex with for the rest of your life?  Thinking about the work/career vs. baby/family too much clouds our emotions which is why there&#8217;s such a disgustingly high divorce rate.  Whew!</p>
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		<title>By: Judy McBabyHater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy McBabyHater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for calling my piece "hilarious!" My friends work for Hearst and that company will give an employee 10k towards adoption fees if the employee decides they want to do that. If I were ever going to have a kid (ha!), I'd definitely adopt. I don't get why women spend so much on fertility treatments when there are so many kids that need homes. At what point does that just become extreme narcissism? 

And yeah, if men did their fair share when it came to baby-raising, it might seem more appealing, rather than appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for calling my piece &#8220;hilarious!&#8221; My friends work for Hearst and that company will give an employee 10k towards adoption fees if the employee decides they want to do that. If I were ever going to have a kid (ha!), I&#8217;d definitely adopt. I don&#8217;t get why women spend so much on fertility treatments when there are so many kids that need homes. At what point does that just become extreme narcissism? </p>
<p>And yeah, if men did their fair share when it came to baby-raising, it might seem more appealing, rather than appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 26 and living in a common law relationship with my boyfriend and our dog.  We plan on getting married and having our first child within the next 4 or 5 years.  Currently, it wouldn't be particularly feasible financially and I certainly hope and plan that our combined income will be higher in 4 years, but if not, then we will have kids anyway.  

I think it just depends on your priorities.  For me, my career is something I want to enjoy because I spend so much of my life working, but it's still just a job:  it's a means to an end.  It is a means of paying for the life I want to live, and I can't imagine the disappointment and devastation I would feel if that life didn't include children of my own.  

There's always something else you could do with your money or your time if you didn't have children, but I'd rather spend it on my children, even if it means sacrifices.  I believe it's hard to declare yourself financially prepared for children because you can always think of something else to do with your money, but once you have kids, you make it work.  You find ways to stretch finances if necessary.  I've seen it happen over and over and I know I could do it too.  My family comes before my employer, so I'd choose kids over career advancement without any hesitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 26 and living in a common law relationship with my boyfriend and our dog.  We plan on getting married and having our first child within the next 4 or 5 years.  Currently, it wouldn&#8217;t be particularly feasible financially and I certainly hope and plan that our combined income will be higher in 4 years, but if not, then we will have kids anyway.  </p>
<p>I think it just depends on your priorities.  For me, my career is something I want to enjoy because I spend so much of my life working, but it&#8217;s still just a job:  it&#8217;s a means to an end.  It is a means of paying for the life I want to live, and I can&#8217;t imagine the disappointment and devastation I would feel if that life didn&#8217;t include children of my own.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s always something else you could do with your money or your time if you didn&#8217;t have children, but I&#8217;d rather spend it on my children, even if it means sacrifices.  I believe it&#8217;s hard to declare yourself financially prepared for children because you can always think of something else to do with your money, but once you have kids, you make it work.  You find ways to stretch finances if necessary.  I&#8217;ve seen it happen over and over and I know I could do it too.  My family comes before my employer, so I&#8217;d choose kids over career advancement without any hesitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lauren, i'm with you on the other things i want to do instead of breed; i think it's the creative junkie in me. i'm terrified i wouldn't have/time energy for writing if i became a mom. i barely have enough now. at any rate, i've honestly never wanted to have a child of my own (other than the four-legged hellion i've already got).

the business owners having to pick up their own benefits tab is a source of ire for me too. i've never had to contemplate maternity leave and i don't have any employees, but oh, how i wish i could get better, cheaper healthcare as an independent professional (even though the plan i have is pretty darned good compared to some of the loser individual plans i've had in years past). i've just come to accept this as my freelance lot, but then i think about all the people WITH employers who can't afford healthcare and i know the system's a bit out of whack.

i also take issue with companies giving MORE health benefits to people who are "legally" married and have kids than their single or same-sex couple counterparts (i can think of several friends who would benefit from putting their ailing siblings or parents on their health plan), but that's a whole other can of worms.

at any rate, i agree with you that the lack of paid national maternity/paternity leave (and the mommy track stigma!) AND the lack of workplace flexibility afforded most working parents has many would-be mothers and fathers thinking twice before they procreate. too bad, because research has been showing that employees given more options as to when and where they work are not only more productive, but more loyal to their employer. which means less employee turnover and more savings for their company. for loads of juicy statistics on this, and a community of parents fed up with the status quo, check out this movement: &lt;a title="Moms Rising" href="http://www.momsrising.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.momsrising.org/&lt;/a&gt;

i guess i could go on and on, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lauren, i&#8217;m with you on the other things i want to do instead of breed; i think it&#8217;s the creative junkie in me. i&#8217;m terrified i wouldn&#8217;t have/time energy for writing if i became a mom. i barely have enough now. at any rate, i&#8217;ve honestly never wanted to have a child of my own (other than the four-legged hellion i&#8217;ve already got).</p>
<p>the business owners having to pick up their own benefits tab is a source of ire for me too. i&#8217;ve never had to contemplate maternity leave and i don&#8217;t have any employees, but oh, how i wish i could get better, cheaper healthcare as an independent professional (even though the plan i have is pretty darned good compared to some of the loser individual plans i&#8217;ve had in years past). i&#8217;ve just come to accept this as my freelance lot, but then i think about all the people WITH employers who can&#8217;t afford healthcare and i know the system&#8217;s a bit out of whack.</p>
<p>i also take issue with companies giving MORE health benefits to people who are &#8220;legally&#8221; married and have kids than their single or same-sex couple counterparts (i can think of several friends who would benefit from putting their ailing siblings or parents on their health plan), but that&#8217;s a whole other can of worms.</p>
<p>at any rate, i agree with you that the lack of paid national maternity/paternity leave (and the mommy track stigma!) AND the lack of workplace flexibility afforded most working parents has many would-be mothers and fathers thinking twice before they procreate. too bad, because research has been showing that employees given more options as to when and where they work are not only more productive, but more loyal to their employer. which means less employee turnover and more savings for their company. for loads of juicy statistics on this, and a community of parents fed up with the status quo, check out this movement: <a title="Moms Rising" href="http://www.momsrising.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.momsrising.org/</a></p>
<p>i guess i could go on and on, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thx for writing, xina, and for spreading the love around. i hear those same gripes from young parents, too. some find working from home as a telecommuter or freelancer eases the stress and improves the balance, if they can get that setup and deal with the trade-offs (for example, potentially losing their free or subsidized health coverage).

i like your plan to adopt a teen in your golden years. ha. maybe those of us who opt out (yep, i'm childfree by choice too) can take solace in the fact that we won't have braces, college, and soccer uniforms to pay for, which = more money for our Depends, dentures, and medication when we're old and falling apart. joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx for writing, xina, and for spreading the love around. i hear those same gripes from young parents, too. some find working from home as a telecommuter or freelancer eases the stress and improves the balance, if they can get that setup and deal with the trade-offs (for example, potentially losing their free or subsidized health coverage).</p>
<p>i like your plan to adopt a teen in your golden years. ha. maybe those of us who opt out (yep, i&#8217;m childfree by choice too) can take solace in the fact that we won&#8217;t have braces, college, and soccer uniforms to pay for, which = more money for our Depends, dentures, and medication when we&#8217;re old and falling apart. joy.</p>
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