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	<title>Comments on: Ask the cubicle expat: What are the biggest mistakes that newbie freelancers make?</title>
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	<description>Practical Career Advice for Women Who Think Outside the Cube</description>
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		<title>By: Leda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey
Good for you, I hope my husband will be as thoughtful of my career.  Anyway, from what your wife and female coleagues have shared, what manner of negotiation worked/backfired on them?  I'm also thinking of going into a tech/science field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey<br />
Good for you, I hope my husband will be as thoughtful of my career.  Anyway, from what your wife and female coleagues have shared, what manner of negotiation worked/backfired on them?  I&#8217;m also thinking of going into a tech/science field.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, it is all in the technique.

When I first met my wife, I tried to bite my tongue about how awful her job and pay were (note: I'm in the same field or computer programming). More and more I encouraged her to speak up for herself and demand more money and respect. I'm happy to report that she's changed jobs twice, increased her salary about 80% in the last 4 years and is excelling. Her success is 100% hers; she just needed the motivation and the wisdom from a man that had "been there/done that" to kickstart her efforts. I was able to give her insight into how men in our field negotiate their salaries and get ahead. Furthermore, I helped her to understand that her older, male bosses do not understand women and by negotiating with them as a man would, she was actually making it easier for her bosses to promote her. Ultimately, our discussions focus mostly on how to deal with men in a way that they will understand without giving up her femininity.

I've strayed a bit from topic, but the point I've learned via my wife and other close female engineers is this: It is often not the negotiating itself that results in negative perception, but the manner in which it is conducted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, it is all in the technique.</p>
<p>When I first met my wife, I tried to bite my tongue about how awful her job and pay were (note: I&#8217;m in the same field or computer programming). More and more I encouraged her to speak up for herself and demand more money and respect. I&#8217;m happy to report that she&#8217;s changed jobs twice, increased her salary about 80% in the last 4 years and is excelling. Her success is 100% hers; she just needed the motivation and the wisdom from a man that had &#8220;been there/done that&#8221; to kickstart her efforts. I was able to give her insight into how men in our field negotiate their salaries and get ahead. Furthermore, I helped her to understand that her older, male bosses do not understand women and by negotiating with them as a man would, she was actually making it easier for her bosses to promote her. Ultimately, our discussions focus mostly on how to deal with men in a way that they will understand without giving up her femininity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve strayed a bit from topic, but the point I&#8217;ve learned via my wife and other close female engineers is this: It is often not the negotiating itself that results in negative perception, but the manner in which it is conducted.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAB, I've seen tons of career coaches, money experts, women-and-money authors, and even this blog (&lt;a title="Negotiate this!" href="http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2007/06/11/negotiate-this/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2007/06/11/negotiate-this/&lt;/a&gt;) address the negotiation issue. Just because that recent study written up in the WA Post says women are viewed negatively for negotiating exists, doesn't mean women should back down. Eff that!

I say, negotiate as usual. In 15 years freelancing I have never come across anyone who's said, "Well, we would have hired you, but then you had the nerve to negotiate while ovulating, so forget you, you shameless hussy." And I have yet to meet a freelancer who's experienced the same thing. Though if anyone has, please share with the class. I'd love to hear about your experiences. (Though I do suspect the world of freelancing is a bit more of an open market than the corporate 9-5 negotiation world.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAB, I&#8217;ve seen tons of career coaches, money experts, women-and-money authors, and even this blog (<a title="Negotiate this!" href="http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2007/06/11/negotiate-this/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2007/06/11/negotiate-this/</a>) address the negotiation issue. Just because that recent study written up in the WA Post says women are viewed negatively for negotiating exists, doesn&#8217;t mean women should back down. Eff that!</p>
<p>I say, negotiate as usual. In 15 years freelancing I have never come across anyone who&#8217;s said, &#8220;Well, we would have hired you, but then you had the nerve to negotiate while ovulating, so forget you, you shameless hussy.&#8221; And I have yet to meet a freelancer who&#8217;s experienced the same thing. Though if anyone has, please share with the class. I&#8217;d love to hear about your experiences. (Though I do suspect the world of freelancing is a bit more of an open market than the corporate 9-5 negotiation world.)</p>
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		<title>By: MAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K., here's the part I don't understand and I don't think I've ever seen anyone address.

If we're VIEWED NEGATIVELY as women, for negotiating the higher salary, at any point, how are we supposed to succeed at negotiating the higher salary -- even if we're really good at what we do and really good at negotiating?

Isn't being viewed positively one of the things that determines the number and quality of the clients you end up with?  Is this one of those things where we're just supposed to be the b**** and bear it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., here&#8217;s the part I don&#8217;t understand and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen anyone address.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re VIEWED NEGATIVELY as women, for negotiating the higher salary, at any point, how are we supposed to succeed at negotiating the higher salary &#8212; even if we&#8217;re really good at what we do and really good at negotiating?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t being viewed positively one of the things that determines the number and quality of the clients you end up with?  Is this one of those things where we&#8217;re just supposed to be the b**** and bear it?</p>
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		<title>By: Manou van de Zande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manou van de Zande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I remember as a grave mistake from my early years was not trusting my ability to trust my first impressions, which lead to two disasterous business relationships. The first lasted too long and cost me precious money, the second I broke off just in time. In hindsight I realised I didn't trust those men from the start, but since I was a beginner then, I probably thought all businessmen would be like that. I was 29 at the time, old enough to be able to know a thing or two about other -unknown- human beings. So now (eight years of freelance writing later) I judge business people for what they are from scratch: other human, unknown, beings. Never lost precious money or energy since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I remember as a grave mistake from my early years was not trusting my ability to trust my first impressions, which lead to two disasterous business relationships. The first lasted too long and cost me precious money, the second I broke off just in time. In hindsight I realised I didn&#8217;t trust those men from the start, but since I was a beginner then, I probably thought all businessmen would be like that. I was 29 at the time, old enough to be able to know a thing or two about other -unknown- human beings. So now (eight years of freelance writing later) I judge business people for what they are from scratch: other human, unknown, beings. Never lost precious money or energy since.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I totally resonate with this. 

The biggest mistake I've made in my career as an independent is taking on too many long-term things at once. Then I get stressed, quit something, feel some relief, and immediately take on another big job... only to burn out again.

I've made MANY other mistakes too but most of them I can't share here because I'm still sorting my way out of them. I try to look on it all as learning though. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I totally resonate with this. </p>
<p>The biggest mistake I&#8217;ve made in my career as an independent is taking on too many long-term things at once. Then I get stressed, quit something, feel some relief, and immediately take on another big job&#8230; only to burn out again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made MANY other mistakes too but most of them I can&#8217;t share here because I&#8217;m still sorting my way out of them. I try to look on it all as learning though. <img src='http://www.anti9to5guide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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