Comments on: When to work for free — and when to run for the nearest exit http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/ Practical Career Advice for Women Who Think Outside the Cube Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:20:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: The Anti 9-to-5 Guide » Your Freelancing 201 questions answered, part 1 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-61550 The Anti 9-to-5 Guide » Your Freelancing 201 questions answered, part 1 Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:08:17 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-61550 [...] 6. Set firm limits on pro bono work. I think by now you all know how I feel about PIE work. [...] [...] 6. Set firm limits on pro bono work. I think by now you all know how I feel about PIE work. [...]

]]> By: Why Writers Should Say No to Writer Mills and Yes to Free* « a.k.a writer http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-59668 Why Writers Should Say No to Writer Mills and Yes to Free* « a.k.a writer Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:45:00 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-59668 [...] mills don’t have PIE. Michelle Goodman describes PIE as “paid in exposure,” meaning that you actually benefit from the low-paying or [...] [...] mills don’t have PIE. Michelle Goodman describes PIE as “paid in exposure,” meaning that you actually benefit from the low-paying or [...]

]]> By: Kate http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-49945 Kate Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:23:11 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-49945 You forgot a form of PIE, the ones that the try to list as 'Internships', "New web based publication in search of dedicated interns (4 to 6) who are willing to create content on a daily basis. Must be willing to create 3 to 5 well thought out, insightful 500 word pieces by 7 pm on the topic of new technology developments, specifically cell phones." and then the ad has a clause with something like this in it: "You must have at least 3 years writing experience in order to apply for this unpaid position." How many college student have that, and if you had it why would you need an internship? I guess they think people are pretty dumb. Not that I think all internships are scams, but a lot of them online seem to be. PS- I like the PIE term. I'm adding it (with a reference/link) to the freelance encyclopedia on my site. You forgot a form of PIE, the ones that the try to list as ‘Internships’,

“New web based publication in search of dedicated interns (4 to 6) who are willing to create content on a daily basis. Must be willing to create 3 to 5 well thought out, insightful 500 word pieces by 7 pm on the topic of new technology developments, specifically cell phones.”

and then the ad has a clause with something like this in it:

“You must have at least 3 years writing experience in order to apply for this unpaid position.”

How many college student have that, and if you had it why would you need an internship? I guess they think people are pretty dumb.

Not that I think all internships are scams, but a lot of them online seem to be.

PS- I like the PIE term. I’m adding it (with a reference/link) to the freelance encyclopedia on my site.

]]> By: Mike McDerment http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-49839 Mike McDerment Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:23:40 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-49839 Loved this article - read it on the TImes then came an seeked you out. As a former freelancer, and now as someone running a business that serves thousands of small businesses, I gotta say this post was money...even it was PIE. :) Loved this article – read it on the TImes then came an seeked you out. As a former freelancer, and now as someone running a business that serves thousands of small businesses, I gotta say this post was money…even it was PIE.

:)

]]> By: Michelle Goodman http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-49771 Michelle Goodman Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:57:30 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-49771 Hi Nichelle, I guess I can no longer ignore this question as it's been asked several times in public forums. ;) I was indeed PIE for this post. When faced with the option to do the post free of charge or not at all, I never once thought of walking because I had yet to write for the NYT (and what writer wouldn't want to write for the NYT?). I did, however, drag my feet on getting the post written for many weeks because paid work took a front seat. I thought about asking Marci if I could mention that I did it for PIE in the post, but then I decided that I didn't want to disrupt things in case she had been able to pay people in the past (or would be able to pay in the future). I spent a day writing the post, and half a day on the initial pitch of ideas to Marci, the post's edits, and some follow-up discussion with Marci about topics covered in the post. Considering how fabulous the PR was for my book (Lifehacker and several prominent freelance blogs mentioned the post), and how thrilled I was to have this clip on my bio, it was well worth it. Other than book promo activities, which I actually considered this a part of, this is the only PIE I've done in 2008. The same day the post went live, a friend passed along the name of her editor at another section of the Times and said I should pitch. Having this online clip makes me feel that much more equipped to approach this editor. Hi Nichelle, I guess I can no longer ignore this question as it’s been asked several times in public forums. ;) I was indeed PIE for this post. When faced with the option to do the post free of charge or not at all, I never once thought of walking because I had yet to write for the NYT (and what writer wouldn’t want to write for the NYT?). I did, however, drag my feet on getting the post written for many weeks because paid work took a front seat.

I thought about asking Marci if I could mention that I did it for PIE in the post, but then I decided that I didn’t want to disrupt things in case she had been able to pay people in the past (or would be able to pay in the future).

I spent a day writing the post, and half a day on the initial pitch of ideas to Marci, the post’s edits, and some follow-up discussion with Marci about topics covered in the post. Considering how fabulous the PR was for my book (Lifehacker and several prominent freelance blogs mentioned the post), and how thrilled I was to have this clip on my bio, it was well worth it.

Other than book promo activities, which I actually considered this a part of, this is the only PIE I’ve done in 2008. The same day the post went live, a friend passed along the name of her editor at another section of the Times and said I should pitch. Having this online clip makes me feel that much more equipped to approach this editor.

]]> By: Nichelle http://www.anti9to5guide.com/2008/11/10/when-to-work-for-free-and-when-to-run-for-the-nearest-exit/comment-page-1/#comment-49764 Nichelle Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:16:00 +0000 http://www.anti9to5guide.com/?p=662#comment-49764 Love the article as I read Marci's columns and your blog as well Just curious...were you PIE? The New York Times is definitely worth it. Love the article as I read Marci’s columns and your blog as well Just curious…were you PIE? The New York Times is definitely worth it.

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